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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Best Good Lovin'?

(I know that "best" isn't exactly the best word to use but I didn't want to deal with the hassle of making "Lovin'" plural when it has an apostrophe at the end of it.) Generally, I'm looking for versions from the Pig Pen era that are fantastic for their jamming, not necessarily a long Pig rap. However, if any of you know of a post-Pig version that smokes like 10-20-74, feel free to mention it as well! I was shocked that this hasn't been covered in the forum before, at least not that my searches revealed. Thanks!

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Poster: amosearle Date: Aug 10, 2009 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?


By the time I got on, 1980 onward, I thought that tune was tired and a way to make a grand ten plus minute noise to close a show. I think they mostly checked out and went on cruise control when they played it, thinking mostly about what they were going to do after... I could easily enjoy not hearing that one any more... trucking, good lovin', most bobby songs... now I'm making the list again....

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 10, 2009 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

Certainly not the best, but I've mentioned this before and noted the historic significance. Here's a rarified Good Lovin' performed in Lake Placid, NY. It's the closer in the last set Oct 17, 1983. I'm still stunned. They opened with a Sugaree whose performance sounds like it was put down in the studio.

Listen to Bobby, at 5:00 into Good Lovin'. The band goes into an interlude, and builds on it, reminiscent of Lovelight.

"I wanna tell ya all about it now.
'cause we gotta make it work some how.
I don't have to tell you what it's like these days.
Sometimes you can't see shit through the smoke and the haze.
You gotta have good lovin'."

Good Lovin' builds brilliantly from there. Listen to what Bobby says and sings next. The band is standing up for our environment and mother Earth. Sustainable life on Earth is for all of us. They take this theme into the crescendo of Good Lovin', the closing tune for the concert. And then, they come back out and do a tasty encore with "Revolution". It appears to me they are rebelling against the early Reagan years and blowing off some steam. On the other hand, maybe Jer and The Gratefuld Dead family were/are and will always be the biggest PR-stunt in history?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

Bof! BUt jet'aimes, moi non plus ,you, deadheads, !!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

And this pertains to Bridget Bardot, how?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 4:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

it is the title of a song "je t'aimes moi non plus" i thought Brigitte Bardot sang with Serge Gainsbourg !

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

4/12/70 is extremely well jammed...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-04-12.sbd.kaplan.3820.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

this one's neat. i think it's the only time jerry ever sings the lead vocals.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-05-07.sbd.cotsman.6028.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: veblen Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

not the only one:

check-out: new orleans->searchin->good lovin (Jerry is lead vocalist on good lovin'...)

Family Dog at the Great Highway on 1969-08-29:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-08-29.sbd.cotsman.8996.sbeok.shnf

China Cat Sunflower-> Sitting On Top Of The World, Dark Star-> Saint Stephen-> The Eleven-> Drums-> High Time-> Cold Rain & Snow Casey Jones, Easy Wind, Me And My Uncle > High Time, New Orleans > Searchin > Good Lovin' Jam > Good Lovin', Dire Wolf > King Bee, Turn On Your Love Light

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Aug 11, 2009 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

This is one of my all time favorites, Kresge Plaza, MIT, May 6, 1970. Phil comments at the end of GL that "it's so cold we can't play for shit" but it sounds mighty fine to me.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-05-06.sbd.gans-hall.95.shnf

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

This is my favorite one:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-10-04.sbd.cotsman.4942.sbeok.shnf

The 'return' after the drums is super-sonic...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

Ha! Was reading thru ready to post on this one if no one else did!

Don't know the ins and outs of this tune, BUT as we discussed with LiA, along with my fav SugMag, UJB, this one is just an all time sentimental fav of mine as it was on the first bootleg (Mammary) album I purchased. Not a song I go to often, but have soft spot for this one.

Well, is our new found French speaking friend for real? Am I getting paranoid? We PMs have to be careful...new heads of states are not to be trifled with, and if the PM makes an error in judgement, imagining a newcomer is a troll, we could have a Stephanie Brown world class incident all over again! I don't want to run anyone off without due cause...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

Yeah, I had that show on yellow vinyl; the "Trademark Of Quality" label, complete with their little pig logo... except it was only half the show. Luckily, Good Lovin' was on it. I like Cotsman's version better, naturally...

I'll leave it to more tenured types like you and LIA to determine if our 'guest' is for real or not. To me, the language barrier seems to be real, but there's trolls in every land. If you, LIA, and NC as well think it's so, then I'm probably just being naive again...


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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 10, 2009 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

Like you, I think that if someone is trying that hard they must be for "real" and I (like LiA notes) am more than happy to put up with language barriers and innocent (it seems to me) oddball behavior (behavioUr I suppose!) relative to ranting and raving bout political this and that we were all experiencing not so long ago. Believe it or not, but a number of posters initially started out as apparent spammers/trolls/etc before settling in to fine upstanding Forumites, so you never know. Why, I could tell you stories about our venerable youngster, NC, that would curl your hair. For example, there was the time...er...okay, nevermind.

JK, NC...keeping you on your toes.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 3:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

I have the probleme now of not knowing if a message is for me,or welcome my message back . the only clue I have is that you spoke about language barriers, and concerns me directly,es I have a double hick with this;the worse is about computer use to do this or that ,then dusting off my english i did'nt speak during the last 14 years .If I add to this ,that deadheads don't always understand my meanings,ouh, la, la ! it's not yet easy street , yet,hé ?.By the way, THERE IS a creepo sharking in archive.org sweet waters .the gig is known in europe, and I know the hypocrit scamming big rip offs on your here forums , hiding behind name of "noise collector" who sent on my screen a hook about phony heritage hussle in nigeria , dated august 10,1.31PM. Anyone into that sort of rip-off can taylor many other sort of scams,by hunting profiles of various people to ruin .Mind it to,these geeks are never satisfied until the victim has lost his shirt, the whole family and frinds 's saving,until the victims loose their homes and end up in debts for generations . Iknow quie well what this is about,because tens of thousands of europeans were totally ruinent ,and hiding their main quarters in nigeria ,even "authorrties"in europe can't brake up this rotten hussles rip off There is no more than 5 percent chance I could have made an error saying IT IS noise collector doing this ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2009 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

You know, I could actually imagine NC sending out five billion emails scamming this that and another thing...just not sure what I'd make of it though. It's almost akin to what I do here afterall.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 4:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

I do like oddballs who are deadheads because they can be so much more fun than creepos, yes ?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

Somedays I too will know how to rectify a posted message but untill then, it will land here "as is" with the words spelling.Besides, I never had the chance to study in Stanford ,but I do remember some grooving with the dead in Palo alto .!!!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 10, 2009 10:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

NC?!?!? I'm Shocked. And Stunned. Shocked AND Stunned, actually... ;-)


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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

I think our new "friend" is not for real....but you have to admit, he's a thousand times friendlier than....well, some other recent visitors we've had. No harm in his posts anyway - if he won't contribute, then at least he won't destroy!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 4:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

you say i am not for real ? and i wouldn't a real friend either? Tant pis pour toi,alors ,et pour moi donc,car j'ai cru un moment que tu pouvais etre un copain !

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 10, 2009 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

I guess someone has to mention the king daddy of them all.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-04-17.sbd.nayfield.121.122.sbeok.shnf
Not saying that Bobby doesn't do it some justice but for me the Pig is it for this tune. Same with Lovelight. Nice jammin good love >drums >good love.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 10, 2009 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

A brief overview:
The versions from '66 and mid-'69 tend to be super-fast, no real solo. After Pigpen starts singing in Sep '69, there's a bit more jamming, but basically Good Lovin' stays short & sharp for a few months. There are some good versions from Nov '69-April '70, but the jams are generally just a few minutes.
Suddenly we see a big change in May, much bigger jams. 5/2/70 I think is easily the best version of the year - some other good ones are 5/6/70, 9/18/70, 10/24/70 (with a Stephen jam), and 11/6/70 (with a Main Ten).
11/29/70 has a 20-minute version with the debut of the 'rap' in Good Lovin' - a couple more versions come on 12/28/70 and 12/31/70.
There are a whole bunch of Pigpen-rap Good Lovin's in early '71, often the highlight of the shows, very consistent jams and you can hear Pigpen's rap developing. (On the other hand, the drum solos are interminable.) I'd agree that the hilarious 4/17/71 is about the best of these. My own favorite is 4/25/71 (on the Ladies & Gentlemen release), which is fantastic, but many folks prefer 4/26/71 (which has no rap, just a Hard to Handle-type jam). 7/2/71 also has its fans.
8/26/71 saw the last Good Lovin' for a while as Pigpen went sick, but it had a great return on 12/10/71.
1/2/72 has an excellent Good Lovin>China>Rider>Good Lovin. 3/5/72 also has a nice Good Lovin' with a Mind Left Body jam in it. We're cursed in still not having most of the Academy of Music versions in March '72!
But Europe '72 is stuffed with awesome Good Lovin's - the drum solo is gone, and by now there's usually more jamming than rapping. I'd urge you to listen to, well, all of them. But particular recommendation goes to 4/14/72 (with a Caution jam - released on the E72 CD reissue). A couple others have been released - 4/24/72 (on Rockin' the Rhein) and 5/7/72 (on Steppin' Out).
10/20/74 is pretty unique, as the only Weir Good Lovin' with the '74 style. Its reintroduction on 10/3/76 is also interesting since it's embedded in a long stretch of jams. But after that, hearing Weir sing this is murder to my ears....

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 10, 2009 11:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

^^^I think this post is all you need to know, sums it all up.

I was hoping people wouldn't chime in with how awesome ANY Weir performances of the song are, esp as the original post specifically asked for Pigpen versions. I always felt it was a real throwaway song after 72. Pig DOMINATED the song in 70-72, esp 71. But when it became a Weir staple...ugh, totally turned me off to the song. And I'm not just some Bobby hater or anything. Even when I frequent GD tribute bands, when I hear those first few notes, I think "Oh Lord, not Good Lovin" and head to the bathroom.

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Poster: veblen Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best Good Lovin'?

recently I ran into a version that had my head spinning and checking to see if it was really good lovin' that they were putting so much effort into...but I just can't seem to find it...I hate when that happens...

so lately I seem to be listening to 71-07-02 more than others:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-07-02.sbd.backus.11798.sbeok.shnf

though how about the avalon on 66-05-19:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd66-05-19.sbd.lestatkat.6516.sbeok.shnf
(I like the fast, short pigpen versions...though the version on 66 rare cuts is too short)

69-12-28, international speedway:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-12-28.sbd.cotsman.8999.sbeok.shnf

71-02-19, port chester:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-02-19.sbd.orf.1029.sbeok.shnf
(also played on the 21st and 22nd)

71-08-26, galeic park the bronx:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-26.sbd.dopey.1559.sbeok.shnf
(just seems to put off a different vibe...)

currently listening to Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf (72-04-24) and I am not sure it can be played much better...just a fine solid performance, like most things during the spring of 72...